If you listen to Joko's talks, she over and over emphasizes meticulous attention to bodily experience, bodily attention. They all seem to focus on the minutae of practicing with awareness like that in the name of loosening the grip of resistence in our life. Barry's talks are very different. Why is that? His emphasis has changed over the years as has the perspective he tries to teach has changed from hers just as hers was a break form her teacher.